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"James Cagney Was My Babysitter": A Discussion With Co-author Johnny Ray Miller
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This episode we welcome our special guest - Johnny Ray Miller. Johnny is a aficionado on The Partridge Family television program and their recorded music, and the author of "When We're Singin". He is also a seasoned concert and theater producer, an actor, and a director. He joins us to chat about not only "When We're Singin", but also his latest project, the intriguing book called "James Cagney Was My Baby Sitter,” which he co-authored with Ryan Cassidy.
We are ecstatic to learn more about how Johnny Ray met Ryan Cassidy at the Hollywood Show. It was also fascinating to learn how the deep connection that they now share was developed from that meeting that gave birth to "James Cagney Was My Babysitter". We also discuss the impact that "James Cagney Was My Babysitter” had on bridging the generation gap and how the story teaches lessons about friendship.
Expect a fun trip down memory lane as we share our love for our Partridge Family memorabilia, our favorite songs, and a surprising backstory about David Cassidy's album, Cherish.
Our episode wouldn't be complete without discussing the struggles David Cassidy faced due to fame and how it shaped his character, Keith Partridge. We also reveal a special project that Johnny Ray is working on with Henry Diltz - a coffee table book full of pictures of David Cassidy! Join us on this episode that's full of captivating discussions, intriguing insights, and Partridge Family memories, and stories about James Cagney and "old Hollywood".
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Babysitters and Partridge Family Memories
Speaker 1And then she just kind of went no, she's like she didn't even have anything to say. She just kind of shook her head. I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 3Oh no.
Speaker 2Oh no, the room everybody gets down, get with it. The room everybody gets down get with it the room.
Speaker 3everybody gets down. That's looking room. Welcome to the Sean's Quest Society podcast With your host myself, penny, cindy Day, madonna and Doris, and I invite you to share our love and enthusiasm for all things Sean Cassidy, from his teen idol days to his recent adventure back on the road again. Please join us for our stories and memories that connected us to those happy days that helped create the Sean's Quest Society podcast. All right, girls. The last few days I have been thinking about babysitters. Babysitters that I've had my past. I had some groovy ones, but my favorite one was, of course, my grandmother, but nobody that I really cared to, really write a book about. But what about you guys?
Speaker 4I didn't have a babysitter. I had to be the babysitter all the time.
Speaker 3But I bet you left a really good impression on somebody. Doris, I left an impression. I'm not going to say how or how I'm good or bad.
Speaker 5My babysitter. She was a summer babysitter and we sat outside and played partridge family songs all day.
Speaker 3Dame, did you have a babysitter or did you do babysitting? I did.
Speaker 2I've been a teacher for over 30 years, so same idea. But my wonderful babysitter her name was Dana Fleming and to this day we're friends. Well, we weren't friends for a while, but then she found me on Facebook, or I found her, and she remembered babysitting me and she said but you were so shy and you were so quiet. And I said well, I remember sitting in this big chair and I didn't want to move because I didn't want you to think I was a bad kid, so I wanted to leave a good impression, so she'd want me there again.
Speaker 3Well, you know what we can let her know. Does she listen to the podcast? That you're not shy or quiet now.
Speaker 2That's funny.
Speaker 3And that's what I tried to tell her I go after being a teacher for so many years. Well, today we have a very special guest. His name is Johnny Ray Miller and he is an expert on the Partridge Family Television Program and their recorded music from the show's beginning. Johnny is a concert and theater producer, actor and director. He has produced and directed live theater for more than 25 years and has presented live concert performances by David Cassidy, david Jones and many others. Johnny has experience in film, tv history and having worked on Desperate Housewives, king of Queens, csi, new York ER and many, many others. His first book was when we're Singing and he has also released his second book with Ryan Cassidy, called James Cagney Was my Baby Sitter. So welcome to the Sean Squad Society podcast, johnny Ray Miller.
Speaker 1Hi, Hi everybody. I don't know if I should start off with Baby Sitter stories or Do Run Run.
Speaker 5Either one is good yeah.
Speaker 4When you did your babysitting, you were probably playing Do Run Run.
Speaker 3I don't know, with that Partridge Family expertise, he was like Cindy's babysitter playing Partridge Family music, exactly. So, johnny Ray, tell us, did you have a favorite babysitter?
Speaker 1You know I had an evil babysitter. Oh, I had this evil babysitter when I was really little and she didn't last very long and my parents got rid of her. But most of the time my mother was a stay-at-home mom, so most of the time I really didn't need a babysitter. But I would have to say that I'm with you on the Partridge Family. They were certainly my babysitter come home from school and it would be on television, on reruns, like three times a night on different channels and I'd be flipping around watching them. And one of my favorite little stories I love to tell on Ryan Cassidy is I had said to him at one point so when you were a kid, what did you watch, what were the shows that you watched? And he kind of just looked at me and smiled big and kind of gave me this mark and said the Brady Bunch in the Partridge Family.
Speaker 3The rest of us. The rest of us, yeah, friday nights, yeah.
Speaker 4It's so weird to think that Ryan actually would be sitting at home watching the Brady Bunch in the Partridge Family. Of course, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1He said I'd watch the Partridge Family and I think she's just like that at home too oh. And then she'd come home from work and walk through the door and he says we'd say, mom, we were just watching the Partridge Family.
Speaker 5It's nice that he watches.
Speaker 1Mom's work. That's a great story I love that.
Speaker 3Well, you know, we're all about the same age, I think, and back in the day the TV was our babysitter a lot Well yeah, we only had three channels.
Speaker 1Yes, and a lot of people kind of coined us the television generation haven't they?
Speaker 3Yes, they did yes.
Speaker 4So really funny story real quick On those reruns of the Partridge Family. I had no idea in 15 years or less digital would be a thing. You could get any episode or anything anywhere. So I would record those reruns on VHS tape. And I had a little paper log and I still have it to this day, a little notebook where I wrote down the episode title, who Is the Guest Star and what Was the.
Speaker 5Song. What's the song?
Speaker 4So, now you know, I didn't know in a few years. You didn't need that. You just go on Mr Google and he'll tell you anything, yeah.
Speaker 1I know. Isn't it crazy how it's changed. Who could have ever dreamed this up, right oh?
Speaker 3right, I think Doris has a question she's wanting to ask you. All right, john.
Speaker 4Wonderful I do, I've been saving this one.
Speaker 3She has.
Speaker 4So I consider you a Partridge Family smee and, in case you don't know, that's subject matter expert in the corporate world where I work. What's your favorite? Because I have a favorite and we all do. What's your favorite episode?
Speaker 1My favorite. You know it is hard, Isn't it hard, to answer yes, and you love something so much so I always kind of have to, like almost, say two because the one you might want to eliminate, but my favorite. If I had to, if I were forced to pick just one, I would pick the Christmas episode.
Speaker 1Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's such a good one, yeah, but if I, you know, if we took the Christmas one out and we had to pick for everything else, I'd love. My favorite episode other than that one is the one in the fourth season where Keith and Laurie have to pretend like they're at date.
Speaker 3Oh, yeah, yes. Laurie had to be Laurie Bell. Yeah, laurie Bell, yeah, they accept.
Speaker 1I just think that is. That makes me laugh out loud. Susan Day is a real talent.
Speaker 3And that was.
Speaker 1you know, those two together had such chemistry and I just think that episode captures that better than any of the other episodes.
Speaker 5I can't think of a favorite. I remember the whale one because I love the song in that one, the whale song episode. Yeah, that stands out, yeah.
Speaker 4My favorite was the energy crisis, because they sing Sunshine and I love it.
Speaker 5And when they did they did to. Detroit by mistake, because they sing Bondelayla, bondelayla yes, love that song, I love that one too, so those are my two favorite yeah, we just did an episode on the Partridge Family. We were talking about those episodes and all those memories from certain parts of the show Our season one, we did a whole episode dedicated to the Partridge Family. But we need to do another one because we didn't have time to talk about all of it.
Speaker 1Well, it's funny that the episodes that we've talked about here too, in the last few minutes. It reminds me of the interview I did with Bob Claver, executive producer, and he told me that they were very, very proud of the episodes that they did that had causes tied to them, and you've just mentioned several of them and he said that wasn't a thing that got done a lot back then and he was most proud of those episodes, the ones you're talking about right out of the gate. Oh, the episode about saving the whales.
Speaker 5Yeah.
Speaker 1Then there was the energy crisis was a real thing in the early 70s, right yeah.
Speaker 5It's actually happening.
Speaker 1Yeah, very much.
Speaker 5They tied it in with the show.
Speaker 3Well, Jenny Ray, I have a couple of questions about the book. James Cagney was my babysitter.
Speaker 1All right.
Speaker 3Yeah, so tell us, how did you and Ryan actually hook up to write this book?
Dream Come True
Speaker 1Yeah, it's the coolest story. I was just launching the promotion for when we're singing and I had done only a couple of conventions and I was going to be doing the Hollywood Show for the very first time and they were going to put me right next to Shirley and so I was super nervous. I was like this was very early on and I wanted to make a good personal impression and all of this and would hope that she would and that she had liked the book, and so it was just like magic. I mean, I had a blast and Shirley had invited me to go along with her to every convention she did and it was. I mean, it was a dream come true.
Speaker 5Amazing. Yeah, I'm sitting at my table. We would feel the same way.
Speaker 1Honestly, it was truly, really is like I still pinch myself. It's just that, even still to this day, I think you know, I just feel like the luckiest guy.
Speaker 5And how kind David is, how kind Shirley is. You know, they're just kind people, yeah, the whole family.
Speaker 1Yeah for sure. And so anyway, that day, you know I had Ryan came up to my table and just we just started talking and you know I was just so thrilled to get to talk to him and he said very, I mean kind of very quickly into the conversation he says you know, I really like your book and he had my book. He said I've for the longest time I've wanted to do this, the story that I've kind of had in my head for years and years and I just kind of been referring it to myself as James Cagney was my babysitter and he kind of laughed and giggled a little at first and I actually just like, for me I either kind of can see a project or I can't see it like right away, and I could see this, I could see it from the second. He said that and then he just kept talking and then I realized, as we were talking, that I just felt very connected to him.
Speaker 1There was a lot about him that I felt kind of an innate connection to and you know, he seemed he had this vivid, vivid memory of that day that was so important to him and I could see his family and him. I could see why he was so close to David, I could just see he was just such a pure and genuine person and I don't know, just as he told the story to me, I just was entranced by the whole thing and I was like you know, are you kidding me? I'm like, yeah, I want to do this with you. And so I come back to Ohio after the convention and we got rolling on it and it's just another one of those things where it just seemed like it was all meant to be, Everything just kind of-.
Speaker 5The universe worked for you.
Speaker 1Yes, yeah yeah, definitely, absolutely. I just felt like that force was behind us the whole way.
Speaker 3Yeah, I've read this book probably three times and every time I write it I felt like I was in the book. You know a character in the book Like I was in the room with them, or yeah, it was just weird. It is so well written that it just drew me right in, like I was right there, or I was like-.
Speaker 5Like you were seeing the things on the wall and out in the yard. Yeah, how it was described is like you knew it like perfectly. I imagine myself too.
Speaker 3I was the owl in the tree, or you know the leprechaun or you know the figurine on the shelf or you know it was just I was just seeing Ryan as that little boy.
Speaker 4When I read the book, I just I'm seeing Ryan as a little boy sitting in like school or in the playground somewhere, telling this story to friends.
Speaker 5Yeah, hey, yesterday.
Speaker 4James Cockney was my babysitter, yeah. That's what I'm imagining, because he tells it perfectly from his little boy point of view, right, yeah?
Speaker 1Yeah, and I can tell you that every single word in that book was, I mean, every word was thought through because we wanted it to be like just as pure, as pure of his voice as it could possibly be. And so you know, we sat and he would tell the story out loud over and over again and then I would, you know, I would kind of point out to him like, okay, you use this phrase a lot and it sounds really good and I think we should use that. And you know you say it this way a lot more often than you say it that way. I think we should use that. It was that kind of a thing, yeah, but it was a real, you know, it was a real effort to be so pure in the words and just to really capture this voice that he had. It really it was. It's almost hard to describe. It was the voice that you hear in that book. It is his voice just at 100% pure.
Speaker 3Like I said, it's just well written.
Speaker 5Well, you understood what he was saying. You know for one. You understood where he was going with it and you understood the story. There wasn't any confusion about what he said, if this was it and it was told as his child self.
Speaker 3Yeah, love how it goes from a child's self to like almost like an adult person. A little bit back to the child's self.
Speaker 1At the end? Yeah, at the end.
Speaker 3Yeah, cause, yeah, I felt that.
Speaker 1Yeah, I'm glad you noticed that and he'll be thrilled that you noticed that. Cause we did that was intentional and that was a conversation we had. I mean, yeah, all of that was really intentional. There wasn't anything accidental about the way this book turned out. Everything was just kind of went like butter, the way we wanted it to. And I gotta tell you we had we had the greatest publisher ever. I mean the publisher first of all. They specialize in books about old Hollywood and you know that era of classic Hollywood, and so this fit their niche and they were. They were as excited about this as an artistic project that any publisher could possibly be.
Speaker 5Wow, and I think that was a short story. It had the impact and I think that's what he was going for Correct.
Speaker 1I'm glad.
Speaker 1Oh, I'm so glad to hear yeah, it was, yeah, he always wanted to share that and you know here's one of my favorite little stories about the putting together of that book. So you know me being a big fan of Partridge family and David Cassidy. I had been in fan clubs, you know, all through the years and so I was just randomly looking back doing some research and some of my old fan club news letters, and this was from like around 2000. And I find this little segment where they were reporting on what the other family members were doing and Ryan said they quoted him I think they quoted him that he was interested in one day writing a book called James Cagney was my babysitter.
Speaker 5Oh, wow, wow.
Speaker 1So he had been thinking 23 years ago. Yes, isn't that crazy? That's crazy. So I yeah, I mean I was. I called him up. I was like, do you realize that you were talking about this? Then, and I think I snapped a picture of it and sent it to him and you know he loved that. It was just so cool that it you know that it was a dream come true for him and that you know it was such an honor to be part of that.
Speaker 3I can't tell you I do have another really quick question. I know that you did King of Queens and then and I saw that Ryan was a set director and King of Queens and but he was 1998. What year did you?
Speaker 1Oh yeah, so for me it would have been like 0506. So we didn't cross paths, yeah.
Speaker 3That was one of those. You know, like six degrees or whatever you may want to call it, that you guys probably cross paths how many times but never really met until that day was surely, you know, at the convention, yeah and to yeah like crazy.
Speaker 1Yeah, it is crazy. I know it is crazy how we were. We're really all connected, so much closer to one another than we really think we are.
Speaker 2Just going to say, like with that book, with the little picture it shows, you know it's an eye opener, even to caregivers and adults as well my youngest son. He is an artist and it's just amazing how, when another adult gives a child that much attention, what a big impact it can be on a child.
Speaker 1Yeah. Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up because I think it's really important to stress that this book is a great book for children. It's, you know. I feel like it has a lot of potential audience to it. If you are a Cassidy fan, it's a book for you. If you're a Partridge family fan, it's a book for you. If it's you know, if you are a mom or a grandma, this is a great gift for your child or grandchildren because it tells the story of. It tells you know little lessons about and little insights about making friends and what friendships all about, and the love of animals and the younger generation with the older generation.
Speaker 5Right, yeah, yeah, right, it's opposites and how they connect.
Speaker 1You're right. You're right on the money.
Speaker 4Then you know something. If you give it to a kid, or if a preschool teacher is reading it or whatever, they don't have to know who James Cagney is. James Cagney could be anybody.
Speaker 5The story, is so good. Ryan's that reminded him of Santa Claus. Yeah, yeah, so it could be another figure.
Speaker 4The story is so good but then if it introduces them because I love old Hollywood, then you have one more person introduced to old Hollywood.
Speaker 1You know, you guys have really done your homework and you're so, you're so right. And you took words that were right out of our mouths when we were putting this together. You know, someone said you know like. You know, like you'd ask your friends off the record what do you think of this idea? And you know, some people would say to me well, who's James Cagney, and why will anybody care? And my answer is exactly what you said.
Speaker 2Yep.
Speaker 1You don't need to, because James Cagney is a he's. He can be just a character in the book, just you don't have to know who he is. He's a character because it's the story of a little boy who makes friends with an old man. That's the story.
Speaker 5That's the story.
Speaker 1Right, if you happen to know who James Cagney is, well then that's that's the bonus.
Speaker 3That's the bonus, yeah.
Speaker 5Yeah, and maybe they'll have people will look in to see who he was you know, look him up.
Speaker 1Yeah, for sure. And you know it's so great that not only was James Cagney his babysitter, but Ryan was a fan of James Cagney and Ryan, you know, collects things and has things that have to do with James Cagney. So you know, it wasn't just this one day in his life that that was just some random memory, it's. You know, it was really, really impactful on him and the fan, the fan inside of him, you know, respected what he did because he had done a movie. Yeah, he had done a movie with his mother, right, right. So, yeah, the whole thing just really meant a lot to him and talk about six degrees.
Speaker 5James Cagney did Yankee Doodle Dandy and so did David. Yes, and that's right. I saw David's first play. It was Little Johnny Jones in Chicago. Six degrees, yeah, they're all connected. Yeah, six degrees.
Speaker 1Yeah, you're so right. I mean, if you take a look at David's autobiographies too, he talks a little bit James Cagney's mentioned in there about how you know he was friends with his dad and that whole Yankee Doodle Dandy thing, the whole thing with Little Johnny Jones coming together. You know David talks about how he felt a connection.
Speaker 5Yeah, that's super cool. And then Ryan had the connection Just last week cause.
Speaker 4I DVD Yankee Doodle Dandy every 4th of July and. I watched it in October, so I just got to watch it and I was just watching it last week and I'm like, yeah, I can see, like Ryan was saying, there's that guy on your movies and then there's the guy in the house.
Speaker 5Yeah, totally different, and a warming, a warm and daring person I came across as. James Cagney was very endearing and I would love to listen to him tell stories. Right, he wasn't the gangster.
Speaker 2Take this guy. That seemed kind of scary and they turned him into somebody that you know others could relate to. Right.
Speaker 1Yeah, isn't it funny how the illusion of I always think of you know, like today's world that we live in. I think it's tough for kids. There's so much illusion out there because of the access and who we really are as people that hardly I don't know. I always feel like everybody's looking for the spectacle or everybody's kind of looking for something to talk about, when really you know, we are all kind of the same and we're all. We all want love and we all, you know, we all have the same problems really at the core. I feel like that's been kind of lost in the modern world.
Speaker 5True, and he told a simple story, yeah.
Speaker 3A simple story. That just really meant a lot. We have another question for you. Sure, it's me, and Penny kind of have a debate going here and Cindy Doris brought this up earlier the picture on the back of the book, the James Cagney drawing for Ryan. Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 2Then yeah, the elf.
Speaker 3The elf and then the front of the cover.
Speaker 4So I think what I think it is is the front illustration is just a different point of view, a different illustration of the picture that James Cagney drew for Ryan the elf, and I thought the illustrator just brought it more to life and made him more of a showman, Put the spotlight on him and there he is.
Speaker 5Yeah, but I could be, and Penny thought it was separate pictures. He drew a picture of a leprechaun or the elf, and then the front picture is just James Cagney.
Speaker 3Like tap dancing, you know, in the spotlight.
Speaker 1Any more guesses before I tell?
Speaker 3Um, dave, did you think it's something different? Well, obviously I think this is Ryan Cassidy in the, you know, in the spotlight Plus, you know he's wearing the vintage suit because he likes his vintage clothing and such. But I, I mean I get where Doreece is coming from.
Speaker 5They might be posing this similar, I think you know but I will.
Speaker 3We will talk more about the illustration of the book after you clarify this for us.
Speaker 5Okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1So I'll I'll spill it for you. Um, so the it's interesting that, uh, it's kind of fun listening to you, you know, kind of talk about figure out what it was all about. It's kind of fun listening. Um, the cover is a straightforward story, which is that the publishers and us all agreed that the image for the cover, uh, should be James Cagney in his Yankee doodle dandy kind of era kind of a look. So that was talked about, that. You know that that was the image that we wanted for the cover. The back cover is actually it's a it's the real drawing that James Cagney did for Ryan. That day when he babysat him. Ryan had that drawing framed and put on his wall and that is the real drawing on the back cover.
Speaker 4Right, we kind of knew that we were oh, you knew that. Yeah, and the front cover I thought was an interpretation of the drawing and they just wrote. James Cagney more to life, more humanized them.
Speaker 1You know it's funny, ryan felt that I'm trying to think if, like, I don't want to speak out, a turn for him here, but I'm thinking that he told me, uh, when we were talking about that drawing. He told me that, you know, he later realized that it was basically a drawing of himself, but at the time, you know, he was drawing this little magical character for Ryan, uh, and that he he'd remembered that James Cagney told, talked about uh, having been in mid-summer night stream and you know, he kind of thought that maybe this character that he drew was the little magical character that he played in Shakespeare's mid-summer night stream. So, yeah, that is uh. Yeah, he could talk more about that than me, but I remember having these conversations about that drawing and his idea of you know kind of where it came from, out of Cagney's soul.
Speaker 5Yeah, I thought James Cagney saw an elf on the shelf and was drawing it. There was an elf on the shelf and there it was on paper.
Speaker 4I thought the elf was James Cagney dancing when he was doing Yankee Doodle Dandy, and I guess we all have our own interpretation.
Speaker 5So hopefully Ryan has his elf on a shelf somewhere.
Speaker 1Yeah, really, he probably does. He probably does, it's somewhere in his house.
Speaker 5Yeah.
Speaker 3Yeah, but you know, another thing that draws you into the book is the illustration. I mean, when you're reading it, your eyes are so focused, you know, on everything she was wonderful.
Speaker 1That girl was wonderful, and she was really young too. I remember thinking, you know, she's not even from this era, she doesn't even know who these people are. And, oh my God, did she ever capture it Like? I just remember her drawing coming through the very first time, the very first one, and we were speechless. It was just like holy cow. The whole scene on a page that she would submit was just Gosh. It just captured. You could tell that she had really studied and taken a look at who these people were.
Speaker 5Yeah, we like the Cassidy room. Yeah, with the Oscar on the shelf.
Speaker 3Yeah, and the fireplace there, yeah.
Speaker 2Love that well. The the front to me almost seems like it's saying welcome, because he's holding his hands out like that, like welcome. Welcome to what I have inside to show you.
Speaker 1Yeah, I can see that. Oh yeah, oh, you guys are good.
Speaker 5Welcome to my story. Yeah, Very friendly yeah yeah, yeah picture, yeah right I'll you picture a follow-up question to apparently there was no more visits, right? Because James Cagney, oh yes right.
Speaker 1Yeah, no, he never saw him again. And so this was, you know, circa 1973 ish in there. And and when did Kagi die, was it? I'm thinking it was in the 80s, yeah, and I love Ryan's story where you know I think it's told like Shirley tells it in there about how it was several years later that they would talk once in a while on the phone, surely in James Cagney, and it was several years later that he called, he called up Shirley and was just telling her what a young, what a great young man Ryan was. And you know, if he had at that time you know, I don't, I don't think he had grandkids then and you know he was saying I'd, I'd love to have a grand kid, just like Ryan.
Speaker 5I think Ryan's an old soul too, don't you think?
Speaker 1Yeah, oh, yeah very much. He's an old soul, so he would take all that in.
Speaker 5Yeah, I would. Yeah, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 3It when I look at pictures of all four of the boys I when I look at Ryan, I see Jack. He is the only one that really when, when I just Look at him. I like there's Jack Cassidy right there.
Speaker 1Yes, you're right, he does look so much like his dad.
Speaker 5He loves all the vintage stuff.
Speaker 1Yeah, ryan likes to dress up much like his dad did and that's fun to watch. I remember when we did did our first convention together at the Hollywood show last February and you know Ryan dressed up and it was just so cool. It was just I can't tell you, it was just how I feel, like I'm Standing here with old Hollywood, oh wow, yeah, we just got when we're singing.
Speaker 1I gotta tell you about that party traveling book. That photo section in the middle was as Challenging to put together as writing the book it was. There's over 500 images in that photo.
Speaker 5Oh, my goodness.
Speaker 1Yeah, it was really really difficult to put that together and get it all right and you know there's captions for everything, but it's funny that you mentioned that. Yeah, it's a piece of that book I'm really proud of yeah, there's a lot to talk about in that book.
Speaker 4Yeah, I have a question about when we're singing book. And it's kind of it's kind of crazy. So in the book you mentioned that Tiger beat law for publication, had this exclusive magazine, 15 editions I think Called the Partridge family magazine or something.
Speaker 1Tiger beats official Partridge family magazine.
Speaker 4Yes, yes, my first part of the question is do you have one?
Speaker 1I have them all. No, they look just like the tiger beat right and it's the official title is Tiger beats official partridge family magazine.
Memorabilia and Favorite Partridge Family Songs
Speaker 5It was a branch out and find them.
Speaker 1You know, if you go looking they are hard to find and then, depending on where you find them, like eBay they're gonna be really expensive. But you know, if you go hunting you'll eventually find them. Yeah, it took me a little while, but yeah we have a lot of memorabilia.
Speaker 4Yeah, I'm gonna joke about our memorabilia, our boxes and boxes.
Speaker 5I have 35 Partridge family records.
Speaker 1I love that.
Speaker 5Do play. You know, I go to resell stores and I can't leave them behind if I see them. She can't either.
Speaker 1You know I always see that as because I kind of do the same thing and so I always think of it as like well, I'm rescuing Partridge family. I started, I started actually cleaning up some of the ones like the really nice copies, and when I go do conventions I take them with me and sell them at the conventions to the fans, and again it's for that same reason you're talking about. You know Like these need to be in the hands of people who love them, love them, right, not in a resale store, in a bin, that's all dirty and dusty and down.
Speaker 5Yeah, I know the Christmas one though I don't know if it happens to you, but the Christmas one the card falls off. They did make some albums, though with the picture of the card on it, not the actual card on it.
Speaker 1Yeah, they did. That album actually was. That's kind of an amazing kind of a story, that album. That doesn't get talked about enough, but it was Really the biggest selling Partridge family album really it was. Yeah, that album was Pre-it, pre-sold gold, which means before it even was sitting on the store shelves it had pre-sold so many copies that it went on the Christmas charts that year. It went straight to number one. There was no climb to number one. Yeah, it went out of the gate at number one, and so then the next year they reassued it. So that was 1971, and so then the next year, 72, they reassued it. And when they reassued it they put the the picture right onto the cover.
Speaker 1You know what I love about these conversations and when I'm, when I'm doing conventions or whatever, I love these conversations because it influenced us as children. Right, and you know what better time in your life to be influenced by something? And I just I wish kids of today had the kind of Innocent thing like we all had. Ours happens to be the Partridge family, but you know of that era still, it doesn't matter if you were a Brady Bunch fan or a Hardy Boys fan or whatever. There's an innocence there.
Speaker 1Yeah and it's just kind of good for the soul, and I think that's why we latch on to this. Not only. Not only is it part of our childhood, but you know, my big thing about the Partridge family is that it's really good music. Yes, when you combine the two ideas, it's this impact from your childhood, but yet it lives on because the music is so good.
Speaker 5I've cared it with me my whole life, every time I felt sad or something I would put that on.
Speaker 4That leads me to a question for you, johnny the music, the really good songs, and that's what I always connected most with, with the property family. The show was good, but the music. So what is your favorite song? Do you have a fake cuz? I got three.
Speaker 1Oh, you know I love getting asked this question because I have to struggle every time. I answer Well, my favorite partridge family song and it's after what I said earlier, it's gonna be predictable is my Christmas card to you from the Christmas.
Speaker 5Yeah, I love that one.
Speaker 1But if you take Christmas out of it and let that be sort of its own thing, then I start to struggle. Someone once asked me I would I used to answer this I would tell you roller coaster, sunshine, money, money those three songs I love a lot. But then someone once said to me if you were stuck on a desert island and you could only have one, Play oh no, I found myself saying I think I love you.
Speaker 1If you're stuck on an island and you can only have one, how can you not pick? I think I love you.
Speaker 4I was stuck on an island, mine would be okay. So how the three? I told you sunshine and bond delay. Yeah but mine would be summer days.
Speaker 5Yes, summer days, yeah, I love that, but I like you're always on my mind. That's one of my favorites too.
Speaker 1Yeah, you guys are picking a really great. You know summer days was gonna be the title song for David's cherish album.
Speaker 4Are you kidding oh?
Speaker 1Yeah, that was written for David's first solo outing. It was gonna be the title of the album, it was gonna be the single from the album. And at the 11th hour West Feral had just a feeling and he changed his mind and he called Tony Romeo up who wrote the song and said you know, hey, listen, what's the most recorded song in history that you can think of? And Tony tells him cherish. And he had no idea why he was asking him that question. And then the next thing you know, cherish was the new single and Tony was really disappointed over it. But you know, I think everybody was really happy in the end.
Speaker 5It turned out so great and I think, surely, isn't surely on that album, cherish, she did a song with him, that one.
Speaker 1No, I don't think so.
Speaker 5There was this one song and it sounded like her voice in the background.
Speaker 1You know, I you know I'll tell you what I bet you heard because Jackie Ward sang on that album. She was one of the one of the background vocalists and I think she sang on cherish. Okay, they all did. John Baylor, ron Hicklin those guys all sang on the cherish album, not as much once you get to the rock me baby album. John Baylor worked on that one and I think Jackie Ward, but the there was other voices that came into play. He was going, you know, trying to change the sound a little bit there.
Speaker 5That was a little bit more edgy. Yep, that one big edgy. Hey, dang.
Speaker 4Doesn't? Yeah, that's kind of lead to a question you had about Shirley David. You have a question?
Speaker 2Yes, I do. I have a question for Johnny, and it is when you were talking with David Cassidy about the Partridge family, what was he the most excited about? Were there any funny stories?
Speaker 1What was he the most excited about? I think yes, like in general, the thing that made him it's like a broad answer. I think it was the fact that I had respected the music and that I wanted to zero in on this music and how great the music was. I think you know that was the thing that you know made him kind of take me seriously, to be honest with you.
Speaker 2Did he ever joke with you about any funny stories that happened on the set?
David Cassidy's Struggles With Fame
Speaker 1You know they were always the one, they were the same ones that he's told many times that he talked about. You know he talked about L, the whole that funny story about. You know L was calling this at one day and I'm trying to remember you know some of the ones, but I I remember more the conversations I had with him. You know the things. I remember more things that didn't have anything to do with the Partridge family. It was just, you know, sort of little side things. He would say we talked about theater a lot because we both had that. You know, I had a big theater background and so casually, in the casual conversation with him, I was real fascinated with Theater work that he did, especially when he came to Ohio and because I had seen him in several shows in Ohio, and so I think he got a kick out of the fact that I was, you know, really into wanting to talk about theater.
Speaker 2Well, that's your comfort zone.
Speaker 1Yeah, and you know, and he's been asked about, I think I love you 13 million times.
Speaker 4Yeah.
Speaker 1Yes, you know, I really didn't need to ask him about I think I love you. So, yeah, we talked a lot about the theater and that's what I kind of what I treasure most about those conversations.
Speaker 2I know you ran one when you were young.
Speaker 1Yeah, that's how the whole thing got going was I had come out of college and I got a job running a little theater. And Kind of a little miracle that I would get a job like that, because I was a trained actor and I was just gonna save some money and go to LA and give it a shot. And I got this job in my hometown community theater, basically as the guy in charge, and I thought you know, I couldn't believe that that I got it, and I just kind of had a flare. What turned out to be the case that I had, like kind of both a flare for Not only the artistic but the business side of it as well. So I just stayed and stayed and stayed and I was there for ten years and Then I laughed and then went and did some kind of took a sharp right turn and then came back to it, got another job running another theater.
Speaker 1That was a little bit bigger this time it was over in Pennsylvania and on day one of my job I was scrolling through the company email and in the subject heading line of a company email I see the name David Cassidy and All of a sudden, like I get chills from head to toe. And I'm right. I'm immediately, immediately, plant plotting in my head Is there some way that I could get David Cassidy to come to this theater? And that's how it all. That's how it all got.
Speaker 3So I have a question I was gonna ask earlier and kind of forgot Do you still get starstruck with all these famous people you're around?
Speaker 1Yes, I mean easy answer. Yes, it it's funny, it's. It's easy to use a phrase that you don't understand until you experience it, and that phrase is well, they're just people too, and I Understand that you know now, because I've been around it so much, you kind of understand it intellectually. Until then, when I got involved with so many of these people personally, I understood it on a on a whole different level of experience.
Speaker 5Don't you appreciate it more like? I beat him in person. I so much appreciate just knowing the the regular person, instead of all this stuff around them that the media makes him into Just to meet him on a one-to-one level. It's just so much nicer.
Speaker 1Yeah, it is and I really understand you know, as far as David Cassidy goes, now much more of An understanding about his struggle with the public's image. I mean when, when they marketed him and that show in a certain way, that stays with you forever and it really it's ingrained in our heads. It really is. Marketing is really powerful when it works. So I can't imagine a whole lifetime of. You know, really we loved that show, we really did and we love those characters. You know more than David did and I think which is a great thing, because I think David always knew that it was a great Show and that it had a positive impact and that he was proud of it.
Speaker 5But I mean as a human, but that took some time, though I heard that took some time. Yeah, I didn't embrace in the beginning right, right.
Speaker 1Well, you got to think about how, and that's true, but my god, think about how young he was. He was 19 years old. Yeah, what does a 19 year old know?
Speaker 5With the Hardy boys. He was 19 yeah.
Speaker 1I just kind of always marvel at. You know, I think God, these, these guys who were Celebrities and stars at such a young age, when nowadays you know we all, look, look at people who are 19, look, look what we know that they don't know yet about life, right, right, and to be thrust into a thing like that when you're an idol to millions of people across the planet, how does your brain process all of that? Right, I mean right. Anyone who can survive that is a real survivor.
Speaker 4We were talking about that in an episode and we talked about how David had a hard time because the girls mostly could not separate David Cassidy from Keith Hartridge. He's not Keith Hartridge and they. And this because the show was very similar it was a singing guy, so there it was the singing guy, and then you come to my town and you're singing, so hey, I'm ten your keys, do it, and it was so hard for him.
Speaker 3I was just gonna say I recently Started watching the Parchage family again, because it's on TV where Keith is running from the girls all the time, you know they're chasing him down the street. They mimicked it yeah they're at his house and everything, and he's always like I can't get away from these girls. You know, girls, girls, girls. And he's like I don't want this and yeah, that's probably shut him down. You know, yeah, and then it just came back to me like that was his whole life.
Speaker 2Yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah, it really was one of my favorite quotes in my book. It's one word and it was Danny Bonaducci. I had asked him when did you start to notice? When did David seem to start to become stressed? And Without hesitation, danny's one word was immediately Wow, it was the way he said it to me and I tried to write it with the same kind of impact in the book. But immediately. Can you imagine that? Like right out of the gate, immediately, he felt stressed. Well, he didn't plan for this.
Speaker 5He didn't plan for any of this, yeah so right away he's like what's going on.
Speaker 3Yeah, here's this handsome guy, high school a singer. Their album or their, you know music, you know they were famous and there was girls, girls, girls.
Speaker 1I love to say is what came first, the partridge or the egg?
Speaker 5meaning.
Speaker 1Was it the show or was it the music? Because the show, you know, never, it was not an immediate hit as far as its potential renewal, it wasn't renewed. It only had, you know, I think, 15 episodes that they gave them and they and it wasn't renewed until about Christmas time and the album and the Music, west Feral was out trying to get the I think I love you played across the country and couldn't get anyone to play it and Was pulling every stop he could get. And so you know, I think an argument could be made which one hit first.
Speaker 1Was it the music or was it the show? And the truth is that they went hand in hand, right. I mean, once the array, once the show launched, the album started to move and the single started to move. The album was released the same week that the show premiered. But really the show not getting a renewal this is my take on it. The show helped the music take off and really start climbing the charts. But then the music, then the success of I think I love you, I think was a big reason why the viewership picked up and they got the renewal at.
Speaker 1Christmas, yeah, one of the producers told me that it wasn't until the summer after the first season in reruns, when the show got really, really big, that it was in the reruns after the first season during the summer in your book.
Speaker 2On page 21 it mentioned something about a guy from brand Rapids, Michigan, who played that song you know with. I think I love you. Yeah just right after that, it just made it take off, and I understand all of that.
Speaker 1So okay, so West Feral as producer, he was very aggressive. He was, I mean, he was a go-getter and he really, really believed and I think I love you. He thought he just saw what it could all be and he was trying to get the radio. He had contacts around the country and the radio stations, djs all over the country that he had contacts with Because he was that kind of a guy yeah, so he was trying to pull out every string that he had to get these DJs to play the record and no one was playing it and then finally Someone in that town played that record and I think it shot up to number one in that little local town.
Speaker 2I think that's what happened in your book. It's what it said in your book, like it's gone around to 15 cities, but then there was that guy.
Speaker 1Yeah, yeah, just took that one DJ to believe it and play it, and then it took off in that one town and then you know, you saw what happened from there.
Speaker 3Hey, just a quick question. You know I honestly didn't have a lot of time to really dig into the book, but did Shirley and David record together after the Partridge family?
Speaker 1You know they never did any kind of recordings that were ever intended for release, or I Don't believe they went into the studio and did anything together like that. They sang together several times and you know some of them were broadcast.
Speaker 1They did this Christmas special and I remember that one, I think yep, right, yeah, they sang the Christmas songs together and Shirley told me that they did benefits together through the years that were not really televised. I know they sang together in Pittsburgh. Once again it was at Christmas time. But yeah, I always, I always wish, didn't we all always wish, that there was gonna be a Shirley David album or some kind of concert that would feature both of them. I always wished that would happen.
Speaker 5Yeah, do you know how many songs Shirley actually sang on for Partridge family?
Speaker 1Yeah, you know me, here comes my nerd dump right. Yes, I do so. Shirley sang a whale song.
Speaker 1We all know that wasn't on an album, though no no, none of them were on albums and that's because of West Feral. West Feral felt that it didn't fit, but she sang whale song. She sang my best girl. She sang ain't love easy, yeah. And then there was a fourth song that, when they were making the episode where she sang my best girl, they had also done a recording of let me call you sweetheart, yeah. And they, they decided to use my best girl instead. And then, of course you know, she sang. She sang us the Christmas on the Christmas album solo and that was a great song land right.
Speaker 1We have that clip and David are singing winter wonderland together, so yeah, that was good, so she didn't sing on any background with David. Well on the records for that, all that work.
Speaker 1Well, yeah, shirley to this day says that she sang on every single one of those, and so it was a contractual thing. That was her choice. She had the choice if she wanted, and she said, yeah, what the heck, let's do it. So she was contracted to sing on the albums. But how it worked when they put the Partridge family albums together, it was a unique recording situation because of the TV show and the schedule, and so surely would do her part Separately, so she would just go in and they would do her part. She would sing her background vocals on a track and they'd record it. And so what they would do is they would use Shirley's voice when they were doing the TV edits for the show.
Speaker 1They could then control the track so they could make her sound a little bit more prominent in the background vocals so every time they did a close-up of Shirley, you're going to hear more of Shirley on the TV version.
Speaker 4Yes, I wonder how they did it, that's the good folks.
Speaker 5That's how they did it.
Speaker 3Do you have any special projects that you can share with us? Going on, anything happening.
Speaker 1So I'm working on a coffee table book with Henry Diltz of all of his pictures of David, and the interesting thing about this project is that I get a lot of fans know about it and I get asked about it a lot in emails and all of this.
Speaker 1So the thing is we kind of broke silence too early on that one before we probably should have, because it just takes a really long time to put something like that together. My experience in doing my Partridge family book I'm not kidding you when I tell you that putting the photo section together, which in the middle is 64 pages of pictures, took me as much time as writing the book. Man, there's just so much involved that it's too boring to talk about the technical part of it, but it's just a lot involved in it. And Henry a very, very in demand personality. So there are he not only photographed, david Cassidy right, and thousands of pictures of David Cassidy, but all of these other acts. I mean, he's the premier photographer of the rock and roll era and so there are all of these other books that are in the works too for other artists, and so all of that is sort of ahead of the David Cassidy one.
Speaker 5Yeah, I was going to say why didn't Henry Dildes make a book already about David Cassidy, or did he ever?
Speaker 1Well, you know, I will with great pride tell you that when my Partridge family book came out no, he hadn't, and I interviewed him for my book. I sent him a copy of the book and then the day I got to meet him in person, he just liked the book so much that I mean in like 15 minutes of our conversation he said hey, john, how would you like to do a big picture book with me of all my pictures with David and I? Just dropped my glass.
Speaker 1Oh my yes, I just about fell off the chair.
Speaker 5It was surreal.
Speaker 1It's kind of like you kind of have this whiteout moment going. Is this really happening? So the plan to do that was there a long time ago, but like getting it in line to start working on it, that was a couple of years down the road, which it's you know, a lot of work has been done on it. But he's a really, really busy guy. He travels the world.
Speaker 5Still at his age. He's still going, huh.
Speaker 1Yeah, he does all of these, you know, he's receiving awards, he's traveling the world and still taking photographs of people, plus all of these other acts that he photographed, you know. So we're the Partridge people, right, we're the David Cassie crowd. Well, all of them have books that the I mean some may have already. I'm not up on all of that. Some may already be out there, but I know that there's several of those projects that are in the works at the same time as this one. So he has to divide his time, and it's just. You know, I just want to encourage fans out there. Just hang on, it's going to happen. Just just hang in there with us.
Speaker 1But you know it's probably going to be another couple of years maybe before it actually hits the shelves.
Speaker 3Well worth it. Yeah Well, the pictures and when we're seeing.
Speaker 5They're phenomenal.
Speaker 3Right.
Speaker 1They're beautiful.
Speaker 3Yeah, you know, so I can imagine what this coffee table book is going to look like.
Speaker 1I mean it'll be the greatest pictures that Henry Whittle's down for the book of David Cassie.
Speaker 5Yeah, see, that's another. Just this right. Which one do you use and which one do you say no to? I mean you want to use all of them, yeah.
Speaker 1And that's a very painful process. Let me tell you, I mean we sifted through. At this point we have sifted through 13,000 photos of David Cassie, and that's just the color section. I mean we may, you know, he has equally as many black and whites. So you take that number of pictures and you try to, you know, pick out the photos that you're going to put in the coffee table book, and it's painful.
Speaker 5Yes, you can imagine, you need two books Volume one volume two.
Speaker 1Right yeah, or 10, right, yeah, or 10.
Speaker 5That's probably how much he has, yeah.
Speaker 1Yeah, he has a lot of pictures.
Speaker 2Hey, johnny, I like how you start your book. You know you start with in that book when we're singing. I love where you say something to your parents. You actually say for mom and dad. I can feel your heartbeat and that just gave me chills.
Speaker 1Oh, yeah, yeah that was I.
Speaker 3I read that too.
Speaker 1Oh, you know, you're the first person who ever ever asked me about that, and I'm over here. I'm over here tearing up listening to talk.
Speaker 1I, you know both of my parents, so you know this is hopefully I can hold it together here but both of them suffered a long stretch of dementia and at different times. My dad passed away in 04, but my mom, who always still always knew who I was and always kind of she never had that classic all timers where she forgot. She just kind of got more and more childlike as time went on. But my mom passed away six months before the book came out and in June of 2016, and so I put that. It's like the dedication even if they're not on this planet, it just had to be to them, because they just supported my everything I ever wanted to do, all my craziness of Partridge family all through the years, like they were right behind me, and so I'd like to think that they can see it and that thank you for saying that, thank you for bringing that up and to go with that song too right, you know the heartbeat just touching.
Speaker 1Perfect, perfect. You're man. You're really killing me.
Speaker 4Thank you, let's, let's not kill you completely.
Speaker 3We want to have you on again, so you gotta keep your.
Speaker 4I'm looking right now, john. I'm looking, john. Oh, we're such good friends. Now I've got Johnny down to. John I love it, I'm looking at John.
Speaker 1Johnny, I'll take anything, but don't call me Jonathan.
Speaker 3Or late for dinner.
Speaker 5Speaking of dinner, I'm looking at the lost album cover oh no, do not use that, it's freaking me out. We got we got the.
Speaker 4We got the Partridge family's heads sticking out of the gravy on the. Tv. And the and the piece got Keith and this little Chris coming from the turkey and Lori and Charlie and the mashed potatoes. I'm so glad that one got lost.
Speaker 1Oh, I have to tell you, that was the funnest, the most fun story to do. The woman who designed the album covers, she has this great personality that you just wouldn't expect. I mean, she just had this fantastic fun personality and she was really light and I never knew about that. She brought it up and she says oh, I have to tell you, you know, I had this idea and I was just so proud of it I just thought it was the most genius thing ever. And she said I came up with this idea and I called it TV dinner and she's and if you could have heard her voice, she's like I had David Cassidy's head coming out of the vegetable mix and Shirley Jones is popping out of the mashed potatoes. And she's like I'm just thinking I'm so genius that I just took it over to Beverly at Bell Records and I showed it to her and she goes. I think she gasped and then she just kind of went no, no, she's like she didn't even have anything to say, she just kind of shook her head.
Speaker 3I know it's crazy. You know we did an episode about Sean's albums in season one. And we talked about the designs of his album covers and I think, yeah, and I think in one of your interviews that I listened to, you commented on the album covers of the Partridge family. Can you share that with us, because there's some things that you shared that was really interesting about the album cover.
Speaker 1Yeah, that was one of those amazing stories, that kind of that I stumbled upon when I found the artist who actually designed the album covers. There was sort of a misunderstanding through the years that Beverly Weinstein had done them all, but that wasn't the case. She was in charge of it and so she was the art director for Bell Records and she hired the music. They worked with the music agency, which was an advertising agency, to do most of their things. So they hired this advertising agency to come up with the album cover designs. And one of the things you have to understand is that so the Partridge family was happening on the West Coast and the records and the music, all of that was being done at Bell Records on the East Coast. And this is a day before fax machines, you know you had to ship things back and forth snail mail. So so the pictures there were never photo shoots that were done on the East Coast like you would typically do an album cover. It was this thing they had to organize between the West Coast and the East Coast, so all the photos would be done out there. Then they'd ship a million photos East and then they'd choose from them.
Speaker 1But the woman who designed most of the album jackets, not all of them, seven of the 10, I thought she this is the same woman I'm talking about who her her funny story about TV dinner. But she just had this idea that you know, how can we create something that would help establish, that would give them a brand that would fit their brand of what fits on television, that they're a family. So she came up with the idea of the photo album. They actually the very first album called the Partridge family album. She said, you know, I just thought how great this would be to tie into this whole family image. And they went out shopping for a photo album. That's literally a photograph of a photo album that they bought and then she put the artwork on top of it. And so every album has its own story like that. And there's a whole chapter in my book where I go through album by album and just quote her and her stories behind those covers, because they're all yeah, I was reading those interesting.
Speaker 1Yeah, they're all so interesting. I really loved that part of it.
Speaker 3Well, john Johnny Ray.
Speaker 4Johnny Ray.
Speaker 3Our new best friend I love it Before we go. Do you have any questions for us?
Speaker 1I do have one question for you, sure, and it's. I'm curious how all of you got together and decided to do this.
Speaker 4We're glad you asked. There's a Facebook group. We're all part of that group but we're kind of getting to know each other and talking about getting together and somewhere during the course of that night Penny and I some we either Penny or me, or the both of us looked at each other and said we need to do a podcast.
Speaker 5We researched it and no one had a podcast about him. There's David Cassidy and whatever. No, sean, yeah, we're like we're the Sean Squat Society.
Speaker 1That is great. What a great story.
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Speaker 5Story in a nutshell, I guess.
Speaker 3Well, we want to thank you a million times for being our first celebrity interview.
Speaker 4When you agreed to talk with us and thrilled to talk about.
Speaker 5We hope you come back and do another segment. Oh yeah, I'd love to, absolutely.
Speaker 1I'd love to.
Speaker 3Why don't you tell our listeners where they can find you on social media?
Speaker 1Well, you can find me. My book is at the website, which is the same title, when we're singingcom, and on Facebook we have a when we're singing page, and you can find me at Johnny Ray Miller on Facebook. And hop on the bus, let's go for a ride.
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